Common Ground and Long Drinks
Date: 2009-11-03, 3:35PM CST
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1) Profits before people. Let us consider this question, whether or not we believe in free markets or the government, is there a true difference between the profits earned by companies based on the free payment of premiums or the taxes paid to the government for the same cost. At the end of the day both groups must administer their plans, pay staff, pay for their property, plant and equipment- and at the end of the day no matter which way it is sliced it comes out of our pocket. The question is which one can do it more efficiently and more humanely.
a. My answer is that the private sector can do it more efficiently because government programs suffer from one fatal flaw – the costs do not affect them directly because they are paid by other people’s money. It is important to note that on average the cost of public programs are underestimated by a factor of seven and historically Medicare has been underestimated by a factor of nine. So if the averages hold, what will Nancy’s bill cost us?
i. I would also like to point out that part of this bill requires cutting the fraud in Medicare which accounts for $300 billion. That means that all these years a few million in auditors could have saved us billions of dollars. They knew there was fraud and didn’t do anything about it. This is the problem with paying for things with other peoples’ money. You just don't care.
First off are you sitting down? As much as I rant and rave against our “FREE MARKET” system I DO believe in it………….. in PRINCIPAL. All the things you’ve pointed out have real merit. However, when it come right down to it one must ask…..will the ”FREE MARKET” provide for all or just those that can pay their way? Will the quality and extent of coverage depend on what one can afford? Can’t afford the high cost of critical care….damn shame….that’s the “FREE MARKET” …………..winners and losers! As for the regulators not doing their job to uncover the fraud in the system….I know of ONE PARTY who has lead the charge to take government off the backs of business and people…..do you remember who made that proclamation. Think “B” rated movie star!!! I remember a time when our government did an excellent job regulating for the common good of the nation.
b. Who can do it more humanely – this is the tough question. As I stated earlier there are definite issues with denies in the public sector but let us not forget that on average Medicare turns down twice the number of people annually then private coverage. Why is this, the government only has so much money and must make hard choices as how to use it wisely. If you could only give one heart valve to a 95 year old or a 65 year old, who would you give it to? These are the decisions Medicare must make. At the end of the day both groups ration care but I think the private sector takes it on the chin more often because people pay premiums directly, unlike Medicare where we all pay the premium.
c. My answer as above is to first allow all insurance to be sold across state lines and mandate restrictions on denials or a mitigation process. Further, instead of sucking everyone into a government system, have the government create a high risk pool such that we can handle those cases directly and administer this pool through the established framework of Medicare/Medicade. Allow, the 20 and 30 somethings that don’t buy health care to purchase discounted rate policies in the high risk pool. This will bring more money into the system while marginally effecting the costs.
In theory…..allowing insurance companies to compete across State lines sounds good until you through State’s rights and each State’s individual laws and regulations when it comes to what is required by Insurance companies and the kinds of policies they can sell. If this idea was to become the law of the land the problems that exist today would still exist and I would argue could very possibly become worse.
2) We should also consider the control aspects for both cases. In the case of private health insurance if they deem an activity risk sensitive they may charge me an extra fee. I then have the choice to continue with this activity and pay a higher fee, or not. If we go down the road of public health care (and while we can argue about this later – this bill would lead to single payer over time ) the government will also have to review risks. The government has two options, to pass a tax (not drastically different the a premium increase) or ban the activity.
Again this all sounds good, but what if the individual in question can’t afford to pay the extra cost they’re asking to pay for the “risk sensitive activity” as you call it? By “risk sensitive activity” I’m assuming you’re including “life threatening care” in that same category?
a. I don’t want to live under a system in which the things I enjoy can be removed because they may be risk sensitive. I enjoy riding a motorcycle, let’s say that the government said this as twice as risky as a car so we will outlaw this activity (not the best example but you see where I am going). At the end of the day if we have government health care I don’t trust either party not to use health care as a pretext to advance their agendas by allowing , disallowing or taxing activates.
As far as I’m aware, every other industrialized nation but ours has some form of government run health care and NO ONE is turned away for anything they need. But we can’t have that here…..that would be too humane I guess plus it would cost money. Can’t have that we might not be able to build a billion dollar jet or two…and that’s far more important then providing health care to someone …..right?
b. The other example is raising taxes on products such as soda. This is a regressive tax disproportionately affecting those of lower income. Let’s be honest a $.03 per can of sugary drink doesn’t affect the rich. However, we know from recent literature that people in low income neighborhoods have lower positive food choices and are more like as a whole to consume the beverages that will be taxed. The fact is that to support the cost of health care the government will need to raise these types of regressive taxes across many categories which only serve to lover the ability of the poorest amongst us to break the cycle of poverty.
I agree it won’t do anything to solve the health care issue
3) At the end of the day you don’t have to be a math major to know that you cannot add 40 million people to the medical system and be deficit neutral. Sure you can play games with how the numbers come out but at the end of the day the program has to be paid for and that is taxes, taxes, taxes and more taxes. All on top of a program designed behind closed doors, not meant to be understood by the common reader and which has not fully addressed the issue of the un-insured and which has an astronomical price tag. IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE NEED????
At the end of the day, do you believe in a society that looks after ALL of its citizens or only the WINNERS…of that wonderful so called “FREE MARKET”???
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